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Lily, I am related to the family of "Kentner" sometimes "Kintner" from upstate New York. I do not show a direct relation to Conrad Kintner. But I suspect the relationship exists, just not established. I am going to check with some other Kentner relatives that have worked on this more than I have. You can check my web site at: Do you know where Conrad Kintner and Phebe Updike lived and were from other than Phebe being in Hopewell, Somerset, New Jersey? Or more information on them? Regards, Kent Ahlf ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Phebe Updike Hi I saw your Ahlf family tree posted at the roots web gen connect, you had Phebe Updike (born abt 1831) in your family tree, she married Conrad Kintner (born abt 1827), I was wondering if you are related to her or to him. Thanks Lily